Hi Anjo,
Am Sonntag, 15.12.02 um 15:41 Uhr schrieb Anjo Krank:
> Hi Ulrich,
>
> Am Samstag, 14.12.02, um 16:34 Uhr (Europe/Berlin) schrieb Anjo Krank:
>>> Sounds promising.
>>>
>>> Do you have the time to integrate it, I will help you. :-)
>>
>> "Time"...now what is that again? Seriously, I have my plate fuller
>> than I'd like: I just put DynaReporting into Wonder and need to do a
>> project with it amongst other things. As much as I loathe PBX, I
>> think I will wait until java 1.4 is final before I start to do real
>> work with Eclipse. What I'd like to check out is if I can use Eclipse
>> as an external editor for PBX (there is a new version of the
>> dev-tools available). That way, the project can be built (and *laid
>> out*, I hate the file-system centric view in Eclipse) in PBX, but
>> edited with reasonable java support. Even better would be to embed
>> the editor panel into the PBX window...
>>
>> But thanks a lot for the offer. I only tried a few things in Eclipse,
>> but it seemed very powerful.
>
> Famous last words:) I downloaded the 20021213 nightly build and must
> say, I'm very impressed. It took me a while to figure out that you
> have to create ".project" and ".classpath" files when you want to
> import existing projects without copying things around, but once this
> worked, I got an impression of all the java goodies that it has to
> offer.
>
> That being said, I don't think I'll use it for *general* wo
> development because of a few issues:
>
> - the UI sucks, sucks, sucks. It is terribly buggy, refreshing poorly
> and has lots of annoying things like triple-clicking doesn't select
> the whole line, tabs don't move to the next field, alt-clicking
> doesn't open the whole subtree etc.
I`ll guess you use it on a Mac. The carbon-swt is a little bit buggy,
but it gets better with every build. The first clicks are a little bit
slow but a second click is very fast for a java app. Just try Netbeans
to get a feeling how good Eclipse is.
> - the java browser is pretty good, but the editor panel aren't too
> clever either, because you quickly lose the overview when you have
> files with long names that start with the same letters (ERD2W...). The
> popups are too non-standard to be of general use.
> - the view is too file-system centric. I really like the way you can
> lay out your stuff freely in PBX - as WO apps don't really lend
> themselves to packages, you need to be able to categorize things as
> you like. *Especially* that the classes are in a different location
> than the .wo's drives me nuts. I'd absolutely need a tree-view where I
> could move stuff around.
Right click on the JavaClass in the left and select 'OpenWOComponents'.
In a future release this feature will also work in the Editor. The are
different views in WOLips for Models Components and so on.... WOBuilder
works with WOLips. If there is a PB.project.
>
> On the brighter side, Doc integration and the task panel is very cool,
> refactoring is great and the ability to hotswap is *so* fantastic (I
> needed this so much that I made the compilerproxy over a year ago to
> get around the missing WebScript, but it is far less effective).
Yes, hotswap is great.
>
> So I guess, I'll mainly do component related work in PBX and do
> debug-, documentation, maintainance and model-centric things in
> Eclipse. I'll see how that works out. What I'll do is to add
> .classpath and .project files into Wonder, so you people can use it
> too.
I know I`ll say this again, this is the best thing. That we can choose.
I`ll use ProjectBuilderWO only to test the correct behavior of WOLips.
>
> Finally, let me say that WOLips (and WOProject) are superb products.
> Thanks for putting all the work into it.
You`re welcome.
>
> Cheers, Anjo
>
>
>
Have fun
Ulrich
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