Thanks Kieran,
I have all the books you mention except the design patterns one but
I'm a terrible reader, I have a problem staying focussed and often
read a couple of pages and then get side tracked with other thoughts.
I take your advice on board, for me you're a bit of an unsung hero in
the WO community, I read your blog often and find it a great source
for a beginner.
Best wishes
Sean
On 31 Aug 2006, at 21:05, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Welcome Sean,
>
> You will find that Web development in general is built upon many
> different technologies. Probably you have experience in some of
> these already and others not. Just fill in the holes as you start
> your work. The best thing to build confidence is to get a few small
> simple projects built, working and fully deployed on a server. You
> will no doubt need to have the basics of HTML, CSS, SQL and Java.
> As a developer however, you *will* want to reuse free and/or open-
> source libraries as much as possible to maximise your
> productivity .... therein you will find the biggest challenge is
> learning what the frameworks/libraries can do and how to use them.
> Remember that WebObjects is just java with a whole bunch of text
> files ..... you can add 3rd party java libraries to your project
> and just use them. To really get the most our of WebObjects and
> Java in general, it is very important to understand the basics of
> Java and *also* the common design patterns. Understanding the
> common design patterns will help you to understand how frameworks
> use and, more importantly, how you can use and extend those
> frameworks and libraries.
>
> I recommend you build up a little library of books and wherever you
> go, "ABAB" (Always Bring A Book). Start with the Head First Java
> and definitely get the Head First Design Patterns book.
>
> Some more recommendations here:
> http://homepage.mac.com/kelleherk/iblog/C981504028/E884004562/
> index.html
>
> Regards, Kieran
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:33 AM, Sean Warburton wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I take on board what you say but I think it probably comes down to
>> way you prefer to work. I don't like the drag and drop aspect of
>> WOBuilder, it's very easy and makes for a great demo but once
>> you've grasped what goes in which files I think it's easier to
>> just type. I realise that this is purely personal preference.
>>
>> The built in EOmodeller in WOLips is fantastic as well.
>>
>> I'll see how I go and if things get a bit hairy, I'll use plan b,
>> the Apple apps :)
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On 31 Aug 2006, at 14:13, David Avendasora wrote:
>>
>>> In general I think the Apple tools are a great way to learn the
>>> concepts of WO. They do a pretty good job of holding your hand
>>> and hiding a lot of the complexity you don't need to deal with
>>> when just learning Java and WO (similar to using the Finder
>>> instead of the Terminal). This is doubly so for WOBuilder.
>>>
>>> The long-term play is certainly Eclipse/WOLips for WO
>>> development, but even then you have the ability to still use many
>>> of the Apple tools in conjunction with WOLips.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2006, at 8:36 AM, Sean Warburton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did wonder whether I should use the Apple tools but with those
>>>> now deprecated and by the sound of things more resources being
>>>> thrown at WOLips I thought I might as well start as I mean to go
>>>> on. I've also tried WOBuilder before and I find it a little too
>>>> clunky, I never really understood why you would need a WYSIWYG
>>>> tool for this type of development. The drag and drop looks great
>>>> in a demo but I'm not too sure how necessary it is in real life.
>>>
>>
>
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