Please, everyone is taking my comment out of context.
My point was, WO is far greater than WOBuilder. I agree WOBuilder is
necessary for new users, and a few seasoned users. The point was, if
you think WO's advantage is WOBuilder, that's too bad.
On Sep 1, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
> Ken Anderson wrote:
>
>> I couldn't disagree with you more. WOBuilder might be a good
>> entry level tool, but it is hardly used by seasoned WO users. It
>> doesn't support a lot of what you need for good presentation on
>> the web today.
>
> It is a good entry level tool, and that's what none of the other
> web application frameworks have.
>
> Had WOBuilder been even better than it is today, some (more) of the
> seasoned WO users would use it.
>
> Once IDE:s like eclipse became good enough people actually did stop
> using emacs.
>
>> More importantly, it's the architecture and EOF that sets the
>> framework apart from others... FAR apart.
>
> There are many alternatives. Some of them seem ok to me.
>
>
> Who is WO/WOLips for? Is it (only) for a limited and decreasing
> group of seasoned users, or is it a platform that attracts new users?
>
> /Anders
>
>
>> On Sep 1, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>> If WO looses WOBuilder because Apple doesn't use/need it
>>> themselves and there is no (WOLips) replacement then WO looses
>>> what sets it apart from all the other web application frameworks.
>>> Lets face it: Some of the other frameworks are (also) great. What
>>> they don't have is a collection of supporting tools. I think
>>> WOBuilder is the most important tool, and it is the one thing
>>> missing from WOLips.
>>>
>>> Have look at this thread:
>>>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/WebObjects-open-source--tf2177391.html
>>>
>>> I'd say they're jealous of the WO-tools.
>>>
>>> /Anders
>>>
>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>> There is no direct replacement right now, and I suspect that
>>>> iTMS people don't use it, so there's probably not a big push
>>>> from that group to create a replacement. For now, I would carry
>>>> on using WOBuilder if you like it -- it's not going anywhere for
>>>> a while. As far as mid-to-long term, we have been discussing
>>>> some possibilities here (at mDimension), but I don't know what,
>>>> if anything, will come of it at the moment.
>>>> ms
>>>> On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>> Works!
>>>>>
>>>>> Haven't used it much, but the Entity Modeler looks absolutely
>>>>> great. I'm impressed!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that Apple has deprecate all of its own WO tools; what will
>>>>> replace WOBuilder? Wont they need a WOBuilder replacement for
>>>>> the music store developers? Are you going to build that for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, /Anders
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>> Update now (to 3099) and see if that works.
>>>>>> ms
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hmm .. oddly our build server is building, but it's not
>>>>>>>> pushing the new builds up to the public server. Let me look
>>>>>>>> into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did get a new version (2.0.0.3096) but Entity Modeler still
>>>>>>> fails to open, and the stack trace seems to be the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes. One fetch spec is called "1910". /Anders
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a fetch spec on Account whose name is a
>>>>>>>>>> number? Grumble. I wish lots of hate on plist format and
>>>>>>>>>> its typelessness.
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There should be a root cause of that exception -- that's
>>>>>>>>>>>> just the wrapper exception. Can you see if the full
>>>>>>>>>>>> exception (with root cause) appears somewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --http://ojalgo.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Mathematics, Linear Algebra and Optimisation with Java
>>>
>>>
>>> --http://ojalgo.org/
>>>
>>> Mathematics, Linear Algebra and Optimisation with Java
>
>
> --
> http://ojalgo.org/
>
> Mathematics, Linear Algebra and Optimisation with Java
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