So having WOBuilder is a good thing...
Now I have a question: How does a new WO user get a working copy of
WOBuilder? ...and how does he/she get that tool to function with WOLips?
(I haven't used WO much lately so I actually want to know the answer.)
I still use WO 5.2.4. When WO 5.3 came I tried it but reverted to 5.2
directly - 5.3 just did not work for me. Have also read many times on
various lists that (seasoned) WO users prefer the old WOBuilder and
EOModeler even if they have switched to 5.3. Does a new user have to
(somehow) buy 5.2 to get those tools?
To get WOBuilder to play with WOLips I keep Xcode running in the
background. This used to be the recommended way to get things working.
Is this still necessary? I assume it is. How is this intuitive and
confidence-inspiring for new WO users?
I am probably about to start a new project using WO...
/Anders
Ken Anderson wrote:
> Please, everyone is taking my comment out of context.
>
> My point was, WO is far greater than WOBuilder. I agree WOBuilder is
> necessary for new users, and a few seasoned users. The point was, if
> you think WO's advantage is WOBuilder, that's too bad.
>
>
> On Sep 1, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>
>> Ken Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't disagree with you more. WOBuilder might be a good entry
>>> level tool, but it is hardly used by seasoned WO users. It doesn't
>>> support a lot of what you need for good presentation on the web today.
>>
>> It is a good entry level tool, and that's what none of the other web
>> application frameworks have.
>>
>> Had WOBuilder been even better than it is today, some (more) of the
>> seasoned WO users would use it.
>>
>> Once IDE:s like eclipse became good enough people actually did stop
>> using emacs.
>>
>>> More importantly, it's the architecture and EOF that sets the
>>> framework apart from others... FAR apart.
>>
>> There are many alternatives. Some of them seem ok to me.
>>
>>
>> Who is WO/WOLips for? Is it (only) for a limited and decreasing group
>> of seasoned users, or is it a platform that attracts new users?
>>
>> /Anders
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>> If WO looses WOBuilder because Apple doesn't use/need it themselves
>>>> and there is no (WOLips) replacement then WO looses what sets it
>>>> apart from all the other web application frameworks. Lets face it:
>>>> Some of the other frameworks are (also) great. What they don't have
>>>> is a collection of supporting tools. I think WOBuilder is the most
>>>> important tool, and it is the one thing missing from WOLips.
>>>>
>>>> Have look at this thread:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nabble.com/WebObjects-open-source--tf2177391.html
>>>>
>>>> I'd say they're jealous of the WO-tools.
>>>>
>>>> /Anders
>>>>
>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>> There is no direct replacement right now, and I suspect that iTMS
>>>>> people don't use it, so there's probably not a big push from that
>>>>> group to create a replacement. For now, I would carry on using
>>>>> WOBuilder if you like it -- it's not going anywhere for a while.
>>>>> As far as mid-to-long term, we have been discussing some
>>>>> possibilities here (at mDimension), but I don't know what, if
>>>>> anything, will come of it at the moment.
>>>>> ms
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:28 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>>> Works!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't used it much, but the Entity Modeler looks absolutely
>>>>>> great. I'm impressed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that Apple has deprecate all of its own WO tools; what will
>>>>>> replace WOBuilder? Wont they need a WOBuilder replacement for the
>>>>>> music store developers? Are you going to build that for them?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, /Anders
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>>> Update now (to 3099) and see if that works.
>>>>>>> ms
>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hmm .. oddly our build server is building, but it's not pushing
>>>>>>>>> the new builds up to the public server. Let me look into it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did get a new version (2.0.0.3096) but Entity Modeler still
>>>>>>>> fails to open, and the stack trace seems to be the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. One fetch spec is called "1910". /Anders
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have a fetch spec on Account whose name is a number?
>>>>>>>>>>> Grumble. I wish lots of hate on plist format and its
>>>>>>>>>>> typelessness.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 30, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Schrag wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There should be a root cause of that exception -- that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just the wrapper exception. Can you see if the full
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception (with root cause) appears somewhere?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --http://ojalgo.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mathematics, Linear Algebra and Optimisation with Java
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --http://ojalgo.org/
>>>>
>>>> Mathematics, Linear Algebra and Optimisation with Java
>>
>>
>> --http://ojalgo.org/
>>
>> Mathematics, Linear Algebra and Optimisation with Java
>
>
-- http://ojalgo.org/Mathematics, Linear Algebra and Optimisation with Java
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