Absolutely your opinion!
We use Soyatec UML2, I that had already written.
Matthias
Am 02.12.2009 um 17:30 schrieb Robert Huber..7r:
> There may be personal preferences on how to do things, but I mean, how can you have an overview and discuss about the relationships and the quality and naming of them when you have just a list of entities in a tool?
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> I can't speak for others, but in my environment I have never found anyone questioning the necessity of a diagram view to discuss and review a model within a group of people. May be I am living in another world ,-)
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> My question is, how much of an effort would it be to include a diagram view in Entity Modeler similar to the EOModeler, even if it seems we would be the only ones using them? Or is the answer anyway that will never happen and we have to look for another tool? At least I know then there is no hope and we have to leave and look for something else, although not what we would like.
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> Best regards, Robert
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> over the whole model in Entity Modeler when
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> On 02.12.2009, at 16:19, Mike Schrag wrote:
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>> i have never found digram views of database to be useful ... every time i see a "real" database diagram, it's always a jumbled mess. I prefer just navigating the eomodels in entity modeler.
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>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:12 AM, Robert Huber..7r wrote:
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>>> Hi Anjo
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>>> Thanks for the idea, but I think it's not very realistic for me. But how do developers live without a diagram view, I am really wondering.
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>>> Best regards, Robert
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>>> On 02.12.2009, at 15:57, Anjo Krank wrote:
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>>>> You could write a simple EOModel->GraphViz WOApp. Shouldn't be too hard and it spares you the layout problem. Make a page where you can select the entities in question or whatever.
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>>>> This one for example looks mostly like an ER diagram:
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>>>> http://www.graphviz.org/Gallery/directed/datastruct.html
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>>>> Cheers, Anjo
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>>>> Am 02.12.2009 um 15:50 schrieb David Avendasora:
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>>>>> Hmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right. Unfortunately I don't see a diagram view being added to Entity Modeler, unless you write it, or pay someone to. You could always contact Omni and see if there is a way to get at the parsing rules that OmniGraffle uses so you could modify them to do what you want.
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>>>>> Dave
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>>>>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:40 AM, Robert Huber..7r wrote:
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>>>>>> Dave
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>>>>>> Thanks for the tip, I don't see the OmniGraffle the right tool for the job. The diagram is not very readable, as for example there is no clear separation between the attributes and realtionship names, the relationship names are not drawn on the relationship as in EOModeler, and no info about the attribute itself in the diagram, just the name, in general, it's a shrinked down display of what EOModeler offers. I mean, it's at least something, but in my opinion not really a replacement for the missing diagram view, and of course, completely out of the Entity Modeler's context.
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>>>>>> Thanks and best regards, Robert
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>>>>>> On 02.12.2009, at 15:18, David Avendasora wrote:
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>>>>>>> OmniGraffle (http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/) will do it. Just open the .eomodled file with it and it will automatically turn it into a diagram. Sweeeeeeeet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
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>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:08 AM, Robert Huber..7r wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am using the Entity Modeler (in Eclipse) for the design of the database part of our projects. As we absolutely need to print out in diagram view the entity model, we keep a Mac with Mac OS X 10.4 and the EOModeler, just to (open and) print the diagram.
>>>>>>>> Now I made in the Entity Modeler 2 subclasses from an entity (with the menu Subclass Entity) and as a consequence, can't open the model in the EOModeler any more. I checked everything to make sure there is no error somewhere and think everything is ok, but I get the error message:
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>>>>>>>> Alert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An error occurred while opening "/Users/robert/Desktop/Hades.eomodeld".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Exception: NSInvalidArgumentException
>>>>>>>> Reason: Unable to read /Users/robert/Desktop/Hades.eomodeld/index.eomodeld
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really hope this can be corrected, so we still can open the model in the EOModeler.
>>>>>>>> Can anyone from the WOLips team comment please, when there will be a diagram view in Entity Modeler available? I very very much hope there will be one some time, as we have no idea how to discuss and review the model without a printout on paper (ca. 2 x 3 meter in size for the big models). It's the only view which allows to verify the model (some of them with more than 100 entities) in a team of developers.
>>>>>>>> How are others handling this situation? I would love to know?
>>>>>>>> Of course we would love to abandon the EOModeler, but we can't because of the reason described above.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thansk and best regards, Robert
>>>>>>>>
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