Re: TurnKey Installer Components

From: Mike Schrag (mschra..obox.com)
Date: Thu Oct 07 2010 - 15:18:25 UTC

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    Doesn't mean we need to be complicit in their terrible life decisions. And, I would wager that developers would be tend to be more discerning with respect to permissions. I think this is officially a religious argument at this point. I nominate that Jeremy just does whatever makes him feel good ........ with the knowledge that I'll kill a kitten if he puts it in /Applications.

    Should we switch over to debating optimal code formatter preferences and curly brace placement?

    ms

    On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:12 AM, David Avendasora wrote:

    > How do 99% of all Mac users run? I'm guessing as admin users (there's a little evil in all of us).
    >
    > Sent from my iPad
    >
    > On Oct 7, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Mike Schrag <mschra..obox.com> wrote:
    >
    >> That's because you either made it world-writable or you run as an admin user, either of which is kind of evil.
    >>
    >> ms
    >>
    >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 10:53 AM, John Huss wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have put eclipse into /Applications forever and I've never had a single problem with permissions. I think that is a non-issue.
    >>>
    >>> John
    >>>
    >>> On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kieran Kelleher <kelleher..mail.com> wrote:
    >>> David,
    >>>
    >>> I disagree with you and Timo, and I agree with Mike and others. ;-)
    >>>
    >>> In summary 2 good reasons for installing in ~/Applications, considering that novice/intermediate users are the ones we are trying to make life easy for.....
    >>>
    >>> 1) Writeable Eclipse dir ... keep writeable in user dir. Prevent permission issues that 'stump' newbies into giving up too early.
    >>>
    >>> 2) Painless migrations to new machines
    >>>
    >>> -Kieran
    >>>
    >>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
    >>>
    >>> > I'm pretty against ~/Applications. Nothing installs there by default. Why would we make an installer that's targeted at getting new users up and running install in a place other than the normal /Applications? Sure ~/Applications is _better_ but it's not _normal_.
    >>> >
    >>> > If they're advanced enough to want it in ~/Applications then they can move it.
    >>> >
    >>> > Dave
    >>> >
    >>> > On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
    >>> >
    >>> >> I had no idea what I was getting myself into....heh.
    >>> >>
    >>> >> This is for newbies...generally speaking, so we'll do ~/Applications...maybe offer a choice...dunno yet.
    >>> >>
    >>> >> -j
    >>> >>
    >>> >> On Oct 6, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
    >>> >>
    >>> >>>> I was the same until recently when I switched to a new machine and forgot to copy over eclipse for the umteen'th time. So I moved it to my home directory instead.
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> If eclipse kept it's plugins and other global config in my home directory I would have no reason to keep it there also.
    >>> >>> welcome to one of the longest-standing debates in eclipse history
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> ms
    >>> >>
    >>> >
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