Re: Golipse.app

From: Tim Worman (list..hetimmy.com)
Date: Sun Oct 10 2010 - 19:21:33 UTC

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    Will the install result in a workspace set up exactly like Mike's?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0AGiq9j_Ak

    Seriously though, there could be some benefit in that.

    Tim Worman
    UCLA GSE&IS

    On Oct 10, 2010, at 9:48 AM, David LeBer wrote:

    >
    > On 2010-10-10, at 12:17 PM, Jeremy Matthews wrote:
    >
    >> Ah - cool.
    >>
    >> There are some things I like about this, and somethings which I would consider changing (IMHO).
    >>
    >> Pros
    >> - "Always" Up-to-date (which is really, mostly, always)...much nicer than have a script on a server continuously generate packages
    >> - Simplicity (big for me)
    >>
    >> Cons
    >> - Need to be online during installation (some folks download packages and then run, or are not constantly connected)
    >> - Not a typical installation package (which, as an IT guy, drives me just a little crazy)
    >> - No continuous feedback (though probably easily solved if using cocoa API's like NSURL), like with a simple progress bar
    >>
    >> Questions
    >> - Is connectivity checked before attempting the download?
    >> - Is the download file md5 hash checked before download?
    >> - Are there alternate links in case the primary download URLs fail?
    >> - Is there a "Cancel" button?
    >
    > Yes
    >
    >> - Are we using API's such as NSURL, or running NSTask?
    >>
    >> In the past, I create packages (using packagemaker) which contained a new feature (Package References) - so the package would download components remotely during the install process. We found this confused the users and frustrated support staff. I thought it was cool, and basically the future...since we're rapidly heading to a space where everything is connected, always. I suppose we're not quite there yet since every client and business, save a few enterprise groups, that told me to change it back).
    >>
    >> I'm really interested in what everyone else thinks here....should we shelve the turnkey in favor of something like this?
    >> Not wanting to devote time to spend on yet another installation solution...we already have a few now, and I think we need to choose one (maybe two) which will be the future "newbie" installer....need to get rid of the confusion there.
    >
    > This is just a simple Cocoa wrapper around Mike's shell script. As such it simply derives the appropriate download path and then calls through to an embedded version of the script with NSTask.
    >
    > It is not designed to be a replacement for anything, and to be completely honest, I have no interest in creating or supporting the next great installer. Mike's script is just really cool, and I wanted to make it easier to use. I have a wickedly fast internet connection right now, so I can have a complete eclipse install up and running in about 3 minutes. Which is awesome BTW.
    >
    > I might consider enhancing Mike's script so it takes a second optional eclipse archive location, so you can grab from a local archive for the eclipse app itself, but that is probably the extent of my planned enhancements.
    >
    > That said, I'll probably also push this up to github for those who want to extend it themselves.
    >
    >
    >>
    >> Thanks,
    >> jeremy
    >>
    >> On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:55 PM, David LeBer wrote:
    >>
    >>> Based on Mike's wolips install script:
    >>>
    >>> <http://gist.github.com/610081>
    >>>
    >>> I whipped up a thin cocoa wrapper for the command line challenged in our ranks.
    >>>
    >>> Demo here:
    >>>
    >>> <https://files.me.com/dav1d/wxajka.mov>
    >>>
    >>> Let me know if you are interested in testing it.
    >
    > ;david
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